<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: EDI is Dead (Long Live EDI)</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/</link>
	<description>Power Profitable Business Communities™</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:00:08 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Tom Reynolds.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Reynolds.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1403</guid>
		<description>Hello all, Tom Reynolds here again. Quite surprised to see my blog entry still here. I think it is a great innovation to create this blog. As I&#039;ve said before, only a &quot;techie&quot; could get excited about EDI, per se....I once saw the presentation from &quot;hell&quot; when a developer put up an EDI map and proceeded to talk through it....

Now, I can get excited about how EDI will reduce my sales order processing paperwork, especially seasonal variations. I can get excited about how EDI will simplify my purchasing cycle and reduce my outgoing paperwork  - remember 3, 5 even 7 part sets?

Anyway. Moving on. I liked Meg Sugg&#039;s comments about how green is green. Not very. Have a look at: www.eco-net.org.uk

Keep blogging you lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all, Tom Reynolds here again. Quite surprised to see my blog entry still here. I think it is a great innovation to create this blog. As I&#8217;ve said before, only a &#8220;techie&#8221; could get excited about EDI, per se&#8230;.I once saw the presentation from &#8220;hell&#8221; when a developer put up an EDI map and proceeded to talk through it&#8230;.</p>
<p>Now, I can get excited about how EDI will reduce my sales order processing paperwork, especially seasonal variations. I can get excited about how EDI will simplify my purchasing cycle and reduce my outgoing paperwork  &#8211; remember 3, 5 even 7 part sets?</p>
<p>Anyway. Moving on. I liked Meg Sugg&#8217;s comments about how green is green. Not very. Have a look at: <a href="http://www.eco-net.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.eco-net.org.uk</a></p>
<p>Keep blogging you lot.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1398</guid>
		<description>A standard is necessary.  EDI is a true standard, it works, and it is proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A standard is necessary.  EDI is a true standard, it works, and it is proven.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Browsing the Inovis Blog &#171; InovisInsider</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Browsing the Inovis Blog &#171; InovisInsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1320</guid>
		<description>[...] we pose to readers to help us improve our company. A few of our most popular posts include:  EDI is Dead (Long Live EDI), Five strategies for coping with retail chargebacks and our Question of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we pose to readers to help us improve our company. A few of our most popular posts include:  EDI is Dead (Long Live EDI), Five strategies for coping with retail chargebacks and our Question of the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ERP and EDI &#171; The Inovis Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>ERP and EDI &#171; The Inovis Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1319</guid>
		<description>[...] and &#8220;EDI Thrives Once Again.&#8221; I believe our own Bill Chessman covered this with his EDI is Dead (Long Live EDI) post. EDI is far from dead, and it does continue to thrive not only in the regular software [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and &#8220;EDI Thrives Once Again.&#8221; I believe our own Bill Chessman covered this with his EDI is Dead (Long Live EDI) post. EDI is far from dead, and it does continue to thrive not only in the regular software [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thom Carr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1069</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1069</guid>
		<description>EDI is NOT dead…, just like COBOL and ACP/TPF are NOT dead. Like the Beetle as Craig pointed out, they are very much alive. As for XML, it is a standard of standards within the EDI concept, a child so to speak of EDI. However, protocols, standards, programming languages, operating system or even hardware is NOT the issue. At issue are “poor” systems designs, systems analyses and “cost savings”. Not linking in-house “stand alone” systems with EDI in most cases are attributed to “cost savings”, by passing the workflow from one desk to another for some action. While this “works” at HQ, in the field it is another story, the Designer and Analyst fail to [or are prevented from] account[ing] for the human element and that these external entities may fill multiple roles at the same time. 

In the pre-office automation days, in a field office, a worker would have multiple “dumb” terminals on their desks. The workflow is NOT passed from one desk to another for some action, the same worker does the action, and because of the lack of EDI back at HQ, the same worker will copy data from one electronic document or email in one system and paste the data into an electronic document in another information system, or worse still, rekey the data from paper copy and takes some action, all done in name of “cost savings”. This is the cause of typographic, transposition, omission, filtering and other errors in system records, which would have been prevented by EDI. 

With office automation, the multiple “dumb” terminals are hidden by a single desktop PC or laptop with multiple terminal emulations and now multiple web browser windows. The workers in the field are still copying data from one electronic document or email in one system and pasting the data into an electronic document in another information system, or worse still, rekey the data from paper copy and takes some action. Now with XML, the worker downloading a file from one system and uploading into another system and takes some action and since in many case temporal [time] delays are not critical, or considered in the workflow process and “cost savings” is critical, this is permitted occur in many business.

The NOT linking of “extranet” “stand alone” systems with EDI besides “cost savings”, there is another matter; it is a lack of trust between the “partners”. Since the internal business practice may have the worker copying data from one system to another, the same method is used with the “partners” system since in most cases, temporal delays are not critical in the workflow process and “cost savings” are critical.

Earlier this month another boggler was musing about temporal delays that were noted in the logs of a command and control system, where there were significant differences for the actual time an activity occurred and when it was recorded in the command and control system. This is a system of systems, were “partners” interacted and recorded their activities to promote “situational awareness” of an event. http://jonaslandgren.blogspot.com/2008/02/temporal-delays-in-command-control.html. It is most likely this system of systems is based on the business model describe above, where day-to-day, these temporal delays are not critical, however in a crisis these temporal delays distort the “situational awareness” when it is need most.

While again the lack of EDI or the lack of interoperability between the “partners” could be attributed to “cost savings”, it is also most likely the systems designer and systems analyst did not factor in the limited trust and relationships between the “partners”. As another boggler noted recently this is critical in a system of systems of this type and for “situational awareness” http://www.disaster-zone.com/2007/12/relationships-trust.html  /  http://www.disaster-zone.com/2008/03/quote-of-week-mad.html

Long live EDI, now if we could only get someone to use it, and also use XLM the correct way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDI is NOT dead…, just like COBOL and ACP/TPF are NOT dead. Like the Beetle as Craig pointed out, they are very much alive. As for XML, it is a standard of standards within the EDI concept, a child so to speak of EDI. However, protocols, standards, programming languages, operating system or even hardware is NOT the issue. At issue are “poor” systems designs, systems analyses and “cost savings”. Not linking in-house “stand alone” systems with EDI in most cases are attributed to “cost savings”, by passing the workflow from one desk to another for some action. While this “works” at HQ, in the field it is another story, the Designer and Analyst fail to [or are prevented from] account[ing] for the human element and that these external entities may fill multiple roles at the same time. </p>
<p>In the pre-office automation days, in a field office, a worker would have multiple “dumb” terminals on their desks. The workflow is NOT passed from one desk to another for some action, the same worker does the action, and because of the lack of EDI back at HQ, the same worker will copy data from one electronic document or email in one system and paste the data into an electronic document in another information system, or worse still, rekey the data from paper copy and takes some action, all done in name of “cost savings”. This is the cause of typographic, transposition, omission, filtering and other errors in system records, which would have been prevented by EDI. </p>
<p>With office automation, the multiple “dumb” terminals are hidden by a single desktop PC or laptop with multiple terminal emulations and now multiple web browser windows. The workers in the field are still copying data from one electronic document or email in one system and pasting the data into an electronic document in another information system, or worse still, rekey the data from paper copy and takes some action. Now with XML, the worker downloading a file from one system and uploading into another system and takes some action and since in many case temporal [time] delays are not critical, or considered in the workflow process and “cost savings” is critical, this is permitted occur in many business.</p>
<p>The NOT linking of “extranet” “stand alone” systems with EDI besides “cost savings”, there is another matter; it is a lack of trust between the “partners”. Since the internal business practice may have the worker copying data from one system to another, the same method is used with the “partners” system since in most cases, temporal delays are not critical in the workflow process and “cost savings” are critical.</p>
<p>Earlier this month another boggler was musing about temporal delays that were noted in the logs of a command and control system, where there were significant differences for the actual time an activity occurred and when it was recorded in the command and control system. This is a system of systems, were “partners” interacted and recorded their activities to promote “situational awareness” of an event. <a href="http://jonaslandgren.blogspot.com/2008/02/temporal-delays-in-command-control.html" rel="nofollow">http://jonaslandgren.blogspot.com/2008/02/temporal-delays-in-command-control.html</a>. It is most likely this system of systems is based on the business model describe above, where day-to-day, these temporal delays are not critical, however in a crisis these temporal delays distort the “situational awareness” when it is need most.</p>
<p>While again the lack of EDI or the lack of interoperability between the “partners” could be attributed to “cost savings”, it is also most likely the systems designer and systems analyst did not factor in the limited trust and relationships between the “partners”. As another boggler noted recently this is critical in a system of systems of this type and for “situational awareness” <a href="http://www.disaster-zone.com/2007/12/relationships-trust.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.disaster-zone.com/2007/12/relationships-trust.html</a>  /  <a href="http://www.disaster-zone.com/2008/03/quote-of-week-mad.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.disaster-zone.com/2008/03/quote-of-week-mad.html</a></p>
<p>Long live EDI, now if we could only get someone to use it, and also use XLM the correct way.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Craig Dunham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Dunham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1066</guid>
		<description>“The best thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!” - Anonymous

&quot;If ONLY the US would realise the great benefit of Tradacomms, as a standard, things would move on much quicker.&quot; - Tom Reynolds..

&quot;... I knew that if I left out TRADACOMS, I’d hear about it. So, I guess I’d better be inclusive and also mention GENCOD, VDA, SEDAS, EIAJ, CII, and my personal favorite, etc.&quot; - Bill Chessman

The above has been bandied back and forth in this blog - and, frankly, for years - but the basic question really can go back to the original quote about standards and the number of them!

Tom, why is TRADACOMS any better than ANSI X12 or any of the others...?  Truly, it&#039;s probably not... it&#039;s just that it&#039;s what YOU are used to and YOU see the benefit and the wonders of it and don&#039;t understand why anybody would use something as _______ (clunky, complex, old, cranky, fill in your favorite descriptor!) as ________ (fill in any other standard)...

It&#039;s just like the argument the XMLers are making against EDI -&quot; why do something so arcane and complex?  XML is SO easy to do!&quot;  But, then again, you suddenly have to have this document format for this trading partner and that document format for that trading partner and this other one over here for... well, you get the idea....  Just like any spoken language, the language of XML is going to be &quot;speaker specific&quot; - in that I will send you a &quot;purchase order&quot; and some other company will send you a &quot;sales order&quot; and they&#039;re both the same thing - but you have to have 2 different XML formats to translate them (or whatever phrase you want to use!)....

Tom also makes a GREAT point in his first comment - about EDI being as exciting as watching paint dry....  but who says something has to be exciting to be something that works and gets the job done...?

Volkswagen had the &quot;original beetle&quot; or bug in production for over 60 years - in various parts of the world...  that orignal rear-engined, air-cooled, round-roofed &quot;people&#039;s car&quot; started production in 1938 (I think) and the last one rolled off some assembly line in South America (Mexico) in 2003...  I don&#039;t think that anybody would consider that car to be &quot;exciting&quot; by any stretch, but it was functional, affordable, and got the job done...

But, sure, it also wasn&#039;t the only game in town....  For cheap transport, there were many competitors that came and went over the decades, but the Beetle soldiered on....

EDI is much like that Beetle....  Completent....  reliable....  variable....  capable....  and still around...  EDI is NOT dead....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The best thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!” &#8211; Anonymous</p>
<p>&#8220;If ONLY the US would realise the great benefit of Tradacomms, as a standard, things would move on much quicker.&#8221; &#8211; Tom Reynolds..</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; I knew that if I left out TRADACOMS, I’d hear about it. So, I guess I’d better be inclusive and also mention GENCOD, VDA, SEDAS, EIAJ, CII, and my personal favorite, etc.&#8221; &#8211; Bill Chessman</p>
<p>The above has been bandied back and forth in this blog &#8211; and, frankly, for years &#8211; but the basic question really can go back to the original quote about standards and the number of them!</p>
<p>Tom, why is TRADACOMS any better than ANSI X12 or any of the others&#8230;?  Truly, it&#8217;s probably not&#8230; it&#8217;s just that it&#8217;s what YOU are used to and YOU see the benefit and the wonders of it and don&#8217;t understand why anybody would use something as _______ (clunky, complex, old, cranky, fill in your favorite descriptor!) as ________ (fill in any other standard)&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like the argument the XMLers are making against EDI -&#8221; why do something so arcane and complex?  XML is SO easy to do!&#8221;  But, then again, you suddenly have to have this document format for this trading partner and that document format for that trading partner and this other one over here for&#8230; well, you get the idea&#8230;.  Just like any spoken language, the language of XML is going to be &#8220;speaker specific&#8221; &#8211; in that I will send you a &#8220;purchase order&#8221; and some other company will send you a &#8220;sales order&#8221; and they&#8217;re both the same thing &#8211; but you have to have 2 different XML formats to translate them (or whatever phrase you want to use!)&#8230;.</p>
<p>Tom also makes a GREAT point in his first comment &#8211; about EDI being as exciting as watching paint dry&#8230;.  but who says something has to be exciting to be something that works and gets the job done&#8230;?</p>
<p>Volkswagen had the &#8220;original beetle&#8221; or bug in production for over 60 years &#8211; in various parts of the world&#8230;  that orignal rear-engined, air-cooled, round-roofed &#8220;people&#8217;s car&#8221; started production in 1938 (I think) and the last one rolled off some assembly line in South America (Mexico) in 2003&#8230;  I don&#8217;t think that anybody would consider that car to be &#8220;exciting&#8221; by any stretch, but it was functional, affordable, and got the job done&#8230;</p>
<p>But, sure, it also wasn&#8217;t the only game in town&#8230;.  For cheap transport, there were many competitors that came and went over the decades, but the Beetle soldiered on&#8230;.</p>
<p>EDI is much like that Beetle&#8230;.  Completent&#8230;.  reliable&#8230;.  variable&#8230;.  capable&#8230;.  and still around&#8230;  EDI is NOT dead&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: EDI Programmer / Analyst</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>EDI Programmer / Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-1065</guid>
		<description>EDI is great.
EDI is good.
EDI upon my table,
has provided all my food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDI is great.<br />
EDI is good.<br />
EDI upon my table,<br />
has provided all my food.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Question of the Week &#171; The Inovis Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>Question of the Week &#171; The Inovis Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-819</guid>
		<description>[...] 25, 2008 Posted by Meg Suggs in News.  trackback  Today&#8217;s question is inspired by a great post that Bill Chessman wrote a few weeks back. Is EDI dead? What, in your mind, WILL &#8220;seal the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 25, 2008 Posted by Meg Suggs in News.  trackback  Today&#8217;s question is inspired by a great post that Bill Chessman wrote a few weeks back. Is EDI dead? What, in your mind, WILL &#8220;seal the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: William Chase McEachern Sr.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>William Chase McEachern Sr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-486</guid>
		<description>As I look back at the path of EDI since I started, I would have to agree that EDI is a very basic Technology although more a business paradigm.  I have practiced EDI with several different companies and the basic flaw I see in all is that they lay the entire program on an individual to manage.  I was taught (way back) that in order to make the process work you needed a consortium of folks within the company to work as a team (not daily of course) to guide this process through, by managing the parts that make the whole.  The transmission needs change and protocols change but the business still drives the need for EDI.  Long Live EDI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I look back at the path of EDI since I started, I would have to agree that EDI is a very basic Technology although more a business paradigm.  I have practiced EDI with several different companies and the basic flaw I see in all is that they lay the entire program on an individual to manage.  I was taught (way back) that in order to make the process work you needed a consortium of folks within the company to work as a team (not daily of course) to guide this process through, by managing the parts that make the whole.  The transmission needs change and protocols change but the business still drives the need for EDI.  Long Live EDI.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill Chessman (Inovis)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Chessman (Inovis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.inovis.com/2007/11/28/edi-is-dead-long-live-edi/#comment-465</guid>
		<description>Back in the olden days (between my college graduation in the stone age and the creation of the X12 standard), we had one similar:  SneakerNet.  The principle advantage was that it was possible to transport not only 8&quot; floppy disks, but (heavy) card decks and (heavy) tape reels.  I&#039;m not sure that the pidgeons (like African sparrows) could manage much more than a couple of CDs (&quot;...it&#039;s a simple matter of weight ratios!&quot;)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the olden days (between my college graduation in the stone age and the creation of the X12 standard), we had one similar:  SneakerNet.  The principle advantage was that it was possible to transport not only 8&#8243; floppy disks, but (heavy) card decks and (heavy) tape reels.  I&#8217;m not sure that the pidgeons (like African sparrows) could manage much more than a couple of CDs (&#8220;&#8230;it&#8217;s a simple matter of weight ratios!&#8221;)  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
